US/EST: 16 Jan 2019 10:54

Player Dispute - Praeatoire (locked)

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Harp221122
Harp221122 1540 points
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almost 5 years ago

http://www.chipmeup.com/player/Praeatoire

Restricted until money owed for shares in this event are paid: http://www.chipmeup.com/event/132956/aquaraider...

$96 owed – $20 paid

Harp221122
Harp221122 1540 points
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almost 5 years ago

I guess i should have added this at the time

the only reason the $20 was paid was because, while owing aqua for shares, he invested in other members and had some returns.

In total after being told his shares were due, he invested almost 50% of what aqua was owed in other people, trying to “win” the money it seems

He has also been actively selling aand buying shares on 2+2 through december and as recently as last night

Mod has been contacted there to get his marketplace approval removed until he deals with this

AQUARAIDER
AQUARAIDER 978 points
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almost 5 years ago

TY VM HARP

VERY NICE OF PRAETOIRE ..LOL

BE NICE TO GET THE $ BACKBUT ALSO AM THINKING THE SAME AS HE IS THINKING OF ME OBVIOUSLY.

Praeatoire
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almost 5 years ago

Hey chris & Harps im not running i sent 40$ today to you chris 36$ left…Harps could you be kind when i have paid the debts to chris you may lift off my restriction arent you

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Praeatoire
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almost 5 years ago

just sent chris PM that i will pay last 36$ now monday 3.2…hope you guys can forgive me for waa i did to this community…but i love cmu

AQUARAIDER
AQUARAIDER 978 points
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almost 5 years ago

THEN WHY DID YOU GO TO 2+2 AND BUY /SELL EVENTS.

YOU ONLY CAME BACK HERE BECAUSE YOU GOT RESTRICTED ON 2+2.

LOVE MY AZZYOU SAIDSCREW YOU.. TO ME….. WHEN YOU DECIDED TO GO TO 2+2.

DON,T CARE ABOUT THE $.. I CARE ABOUT HOW I GOT TREATED .

Praeatoire
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almost 5 years ago

Last 36$ sent…btw i been member on 2+2 for a long time i bought little % just to try to pay you chris and the thread that i seeked backer on turbos and hyper that was long ago..and havnt i paid you before for my shares it was just this wich made bad but the debt a full paid now so now Harp if you want you may lift away my restriction and confirm to RW on 2+2 that this debt is paid…thanks
Patrick

Praeatoire
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almost 5 years ago

what is this in my tells is it some thing you made up your self Cancellation of events without explanation….has never happened i have always played what i been sold here

CLOSE MY ACCOUNT HERE ASAP

Harp221122
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almost 5 years ago

First off, not sure why you would think I would have to make up tells for you. I would have thought you would have been around long enough to know that top stuff is listed in everyone's tells and is an explanation of what tells can be (a definition)

Now, to the issue at hand. I have quite a few problems with your statements above. Your first statement claims that you are "not running"�, yet you only showed up and paid money back after I contacted a mod on 2+2 where you have been active and he applied pressure on you about the issue.

You claim to love CMU, yet as a trusted member you took shares in another trusted member, and then didn't pay for them (Aqua event started November 17th). Instead of paying for part of them, you invested in:

Nov 19 – $12 http://www.chipmeup.com/event/133167/drakosha-p...
Nov 19 – $3 http://www.chipmeup.com/event/133169/kirobriton...
Nov 19 – $11 http://www.chipmeup.com/event/133170/star4man44...
Nov 25 – $8.28 http://www.chipmeup.com/event/133314/enomai-pok...
Nov 25 – $1.50 http://www.chipmeup.com/event/133316/jutteman-p...
Dec 5 – $21 http://www.chipmeup.com/event/133635/magicgog-f...
Dec 9 – $1.98 http://www.chipmeup.com/event/133647/enomai-pok...
Dec 9 – $0.66 http://www.chipmeup.com/event/133748/enomai-gro...
Dec 12 – $21 http://www.chipmeup.com/event/133828/kennl-othe...
Dec 14 – $18 http://www.chipmeup.com/event/134014/zebest7r-o...
TOTAL: $98.42 of which you paid Aqua $20

In addition to this spending, you were also spending on 2+2:
Nov 30 – $19 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s...
Nov 30 – $19.50 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s... won $40
Nov 30 – $23.10 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s... refunded
Dec 4 – $67 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s... returned $57
Dec 10 – $36 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s...
Dec 10 – $24.14 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s...
Dec 11 – $71.50 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s... $21 returned
Dec 12 – $1.65 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s...
Dec 12 – Sold 50% of action meaning you had $38 invested in yourself as well: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s...
Jan 23 – $6.45 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s...
Jan 24 – $5.50 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/163/staking-s...
TOTAL: $311.84

In addition to the buying above, on pokerstars alone, you played 148 games with an average buyin of $11.50, including $77, $51, multiple $25 and $33 games any and all of which the buyins could have been used to pay your debts.

Given the $$ amounts above that you had at your disposal, your posts above are pretty disingenuous and disrespectful to aqua, who gave you 2 whole months of leeway before he even sent this to me.

So, assuming you understand what your issue with your tell means and you don't actually want your account closed, I am going to reserve making a decision on this until I hear from you as to why you think you should be allowed to stay, as I am really on the fence at this point

deadlyseal
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almost 5 years ago

sjeesh patrick man.how could this even happenyou always stated you made a small fortune after your car accident and now you were not able to pay aqua and had to pay back in small payments.
did you alreaddy loose all the money you got from the car crash

i just asume you want to stay on cmu and buy and sell again but you didnt make things easyer for you after this.
i just hope it was a big messtake and wont happen again couse you were a fun guy to have around on cmu.\hans

Praeatoire
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almost 5 years ago

Yes true Harps i was a real a hole on what i did to chris.Im very sorry for what i did…but im not like the big scammers that has been here on cmu & if i may come back here on cmu it will not happen ever again…i have been here long time a have bought alot off shares here before….yes it was a groose thing from me to be on 2p2 also and buying % while i was in debt to chris and for that i feel really a shamed that i did,but wish chris can forgive me what i did it wasnt big sums that we talking about just 96$…I hope you can give me a second chance Harps to stay on cmu I will not do same misstake twice.

but you Harps and the other Admins/mods can decide if im a true cmuer or a douchbag
regards
Prae

Harp221122
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almost 5 years ago

So I think we would have maybe given you a second chance here given you have had no issues in the past, had your last post simply ended with “I was a real a hole on what i did to Chris and Im very sorry for what i did”

But your comments about “Im not like the big scammers on here” and “it wasnt a big sum of money, just $96” both here and in pm, really don’t lead me to believe that you think you did anything too bad.

In reality, the amount of money doesnt really matter on a site like CMU where trust is the most important factor, but the fact that “it wasn’t alot of money” makes what you did and how you avoided paying back even worse. You didnt have a large hole to dig yourself out of, or thousands to build up before you could of handled this, it has been shown you could have paid back multiple times over with your activities the last 3 months.

But you used Aqua’s trust that you would pay, to try and “hit a big score” as you put it in pm. The only reason you addressed this at all was because I sought to have you banned from 2+2, had that not been done, I doubt any of this would be paid as of yet.

So that being said, we simply can’t condone the actions taken here and the way it was handled.